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gpthelastrebel
Sun Dec 28 2008, 09:45PM
gpthelastrebel
Main Admin Main Admin Registered Member #1 Joined: Tue Jul 17 2007, 02:46PM
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This doesn't happen often but I am truly at loss for words. I respect a persons right to their opinion, but I don't think Obama is a friend of the South and nor would I imagine anything Confederate. I just don't know what to say.

Gator I agree I would like to know what those two grinning fellows are all about. I mean my gosh didn't any of the 3 ever hear of Rev. Wright and Obama?

GP
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gator
Mon Dec 29 2008, 12:47AM
gator
Registered Member #54 Joined: Sun Apr 27 2008, 03:32PM
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val, can you tell me where this photo came from? if a link is available could you send it to me? thanks
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Lady Val
Wed Dec 31 2008, 09:35AM
Lady Val
Registered Member #75 Joined: Sat Nov 01 2008, 03:22PM
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Sorry for the delay in responding. I screwed up my log in and the folks had to work to straighten it out! Anyway, it came from many different places, but HK himself apparently disseminated it. He has responded (I will include response below) and it seems to me that this was simply a matter of poor judgment and worse taste. But remember, HK wasn't the only person in that photograph, so there is blame enough to go round. I personally would suggest that we chalk this up to one of the "stupid moments" to which we are all subject in life and go from there. Hopefully, we've all learned something about the respectful treatment of (y)our symbols which will put an end to naked bimbos and flaming skulls emblazoned on the battle flag! HK deserves to be forgiven for his lapse in judgment and the matter, as John Mosby once put it, "consigned to oblivion".
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Lady Val
Wed Dec 31 2008, 09:37AM
Lady Val
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Apologies. Tried to copy & paste HK's response and couldn't do it. Tried to add it as an attachment, but it wouldn't add. Anyone who wants it can e-mail me at @ and I'll send it to them.
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gpthelastrebel
Wed Dec 31 2008, 01:51PM
gpthelastrebel
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Val,
Glad to see you made it back on. I looked at the same thing Pat did just did not know how to fix it.

Thanks for an excellent explanation. I suppose we all have those stupid moments???

GP
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Anonymous
Wed Dec 31 2008, 09:18PM
George and Val,

Is there anyway that we can get the response posted here on the message board and also links to where it all came from.

Thanks much,
Carolyn
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Lady Val
Thu Jan 01 2009, 01:05AM
Lady Val
Registered Member #75 Joined: Sat Nov 01 2008, 03:22PM
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It came from HK himself and has appeared in a number of places including Chuck Demastus SHNV forum. I received it from a friend who is on HK's mailing list. As noted, I tried to put it here, but couldn't cut and paste or add it as an attachment. I have no idea how else to get it on, frankly. I will send it to George and see if he can post it.

For those who wonder what happened about my being unable to get onto the site, at the beginning I had real problems with passwords and usernames etc. So when I tried to get on the other day and the password that was on the "remember me" wasn't the right one, I was "autobanned" for having tried to get on ten times with an incorrect password. I am the world's largest and stoopidist technoboob.

Happy New Year all.
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Thu Jan 01 2009, 02:11AM
Level 1 Registered Member #13 Joined: Thu Jan 01 1970, 12:00AM
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Thanks for the information, Val. But, I still didn't find it. Maybe George can paste it on this site for all us folks that can't ever find what we are looking for. I'm not very sharp on all this computer stuff either. But, I keep stumbling around anyway.

I did find quite a few sites, though, that I want to do some searching on when I get the opportunity.

I also hope for a very good New Year to all with much good health and happiness.

Carolyn

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gpthelastrebel
Thu Jan 01 2009, 02:41AM
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Val send me the info, I'll post it if not Pat can surely do it.

GP
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gpthelastrebel
Thu Jan 01 2009, 04:14AM
gpthelastrebel
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http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/shnvswr/vpost?id=3198149&highlight


Original Message -----
From: HK Edgerton
To: @
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject:Vanity Flag / An Open Letter / http://www.southernheritage411.com

I was asked to pose holding a Vanity flag that bore the picture of President- elect Obama and emblazoned beside it was the Confederate Battle flag. My first inclination was to say no because it might offend many people within the black community. However the more I thought about the message of hope that this man contends to aspire to, and the rhetoric he espouses about Lincoln, the more I looked at that flag and wondered if that message of hope included those of us in the South who look for a President who has the guts to give our people the hope that we wish for in the telling of truth about the epic that led to the separation of this nation, about the hope that our people can honor our ancestors and their symbols without bearing an unwarranted shame placed upon us by revisionist historians, hope that he would have read the letter that I addressed to him to allow a Confederate Honor Guard at his Inauguration and an Ambassador to the South who would lead an effort to end the sectional hostilities that continue as our Northern brothers continue the modus operandi aimed at breaking the spirit of their Brothers with their attacks upon our Flag and our noble ancestors who fought under it , hope that since he so claims to admire Lincoln; that he would provide the South with the Marshall Plan that Lincoln promised that never transpired.

I have seen many, many vanity flags, yet I wonder just why so many would read into this one the things that they have. I am not pleased with the one sold on the Eastern Band Cherokee Reservation that bears the image of the Cherokee Indian on it because I don’t believe they have stepped forward like their ancestors did in the defense of our Southland, and I certainly am not happy with the Eastern band who have turned their backs on the Blacks they enslaved, married, sired and have now banned their ancestors from participating in their gaming revenues. I don’t find them worthy of the honor of a vanity flag that bears the Southern Cross.

I didn’t create the flag, nor did I intend or perceive any disrespect in its interpreted meaning. However, I do appreciate the opportunity of dialogue that it has generated. I have no intentions of letting the new President or the old one who now prepares to leave office to forget the injustices that the people of my homeland, the Southland of America ,continue to suffer as they are not granted the same opportunity to express their 1st Amendment Rights as other citizens of this nation as they are forced to remember their ancestors in shame and the honorable symbols they carried in the defense of their homeland that had been invaded. Nor do I intend to stand idle as the same kind of bigots who lumped the loyal Blacks in with those who would taint that honor earned as done in the period of so called Reconstruction. Hollywood won’t tell the story, nor will the Federal public school system about the place of honor, dignity, and heroism displayed by so many. And I have come too far to let those who continue to feel and practice the symptoms of hatred toward me and my black family rule the day.

I would caution any censorship of vanity flags , shirts or material that are not vulgar . However, if the picture of me standing holding the one that has inspired so much negative dialogue warrants a disciplinary action from the Sons of Confederate Veterans and it’s Commander in Chief of whom I love and respect ; then I am man enough to accept it.



Edited Thu Jan 01 2009, 04:44AM
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