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8milereb
Sun Feb 08 2009, 12:12PM

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Where was she captured? After capturing more than 30 U.S. Merchant ships, she herself was captured off Bahia, Brazil, on Oct 7, 1864 by the USS Wachusett, which violated international law by seizing her in Brazilian waters. This was not the first instance of this happening off the coast of Brazil, which infuriated the Brazlian government.
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Dixieroy
Fri Jan 29 2010, 04:45PM
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She was not captured "off bahia", Capt Napolean Collins took the USS Wachusett into Bahia harbor, where she fired upon the Florida, and then rammed her, before attaching tow ropes, and towing the Florida away.
They were chased by Brazilian vessels, but had too great a head start.
Collins was court martialled, and sentenced to be reduced to the ranks I think, writing this from memory, but Gideon Welles, Secretary of the US Navy, refused to carry out the sentence, and Collins got away with an act of outright piracy.
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8milereb
Wed Feb 03 2010, 03:04PM

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UMMMM, tow ropes? sounds like being captued to me.....just a thought..
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Dixieroy
Wed Feb 03 2010, 04:17PM
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The Florida was in Bahia Harbour, her Master and half the crew were on liberty, when Collins rammed her, fired upon her, and then towed her away.
In my eyes, an act of outright piracy, no wonder the judges ordered the Navy to hand the Florida back to the Confederates.
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8milereb
Tue Feb 09 2010, 09:02PM

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There ya go! hand around more to follow! thanks again for joining us.
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Lady Val
Wed Feb 10 2010, 10:36AM
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The Yankees never cared much for the law - their own or anybody else's. They wanted to hang Mosby as a "guerrilla" who violated their G.O. 100 (a/k/a the "Lieber Code") which delineated what was acceptable in warfare. But in fact, Mosby's actions were within their code while Sherman violated the hell out of it. But nobody was going to bring Sherman up on charges.

I love it when hypocrites make rules, demand that others adhere to those rules whether they agreed to do so or not - and then don't adhere to the rules themselves. Great way to run a country, don't you think? You're always right even when you're wrong and the other fellow is always wrong even when he's right.

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gpthelastrebel
Thu Feb 11 2010, 10:39AM

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The same is true with the POWs.

Roy, would this also be an act of war against Brazil???

GP

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Dixieroy
Fri Feb 12 2010, 12:54PM
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Absolutely, the US had to apologise to Brazil, and also release all of the prisoners, who were each given 10 dollars, and instructed to leave the US within 24 hours. Many came to Liverpool.
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gpthelastrebel
Sat Feb 13 2010, 04:48PM

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Would love to have documentation on this action, can you provide source???

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Dixieroy
Sun Feb 14 2010, 06:54AM
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To start with, read my Florida page.
My source was the ONR of the war, available online now.

http://www.whenliverpoolwasdixie.co.uk/florida.htm
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